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Talking LBW decissions.

Goochy said tonight that when the ball hits you on the full for example, left arm bowler over the wicket hit a right hand bat on the full on off stump.
Goochy said you do a straight line from the point of realease down the wicket to were it hit the batsman there for just missing off stump (swing means nothing, straight line).

I said no no it's a straight line from stump to stump which means it would have hit off stump, does not even matter if the bowler lets it go from 5 feet wide of the stumps at the non strikers end.

Any thoughts ?

ha ha lol GOOCHY

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im prob not right but i thought if it hit a batsman pad on full anywhere in line with stumps regardless of the angle of release it was out by law. obviously not 100% sure.

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Surely that's not right. What if he's half way down the pitch? The ball has to be still hitting the stumps doesn't it?

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It all has to do with the interception of the ball.

Law 36(2.)         Interception of the ball(a) In assessing points (c), (d) and (e) in 1 above only the first interception is to beconsidered.
(b) In assessing point (e) in 1 above, it is to be assumed that the path of the ballbefore interception would have continued after interception, irrespective ofwhether it might have pitched subsequently or not.

This means that the ball would travel on the course from which it came including if it was swinging it would continue to swing along the same path.Last part of the law is also that the ball must be hitting the stumps


-- Edited by stumpy at 22:51, 2009-01-27

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Beaver, you are an idiot.


Precise conditions for LBW

The conditions for a batsman to be given out LBW are:

  1. The ball must be legal : The ball must not be a no ball.
  2. The ball must not pitch on the leg side: The ball must either (a) pitch in line between wicket and wicket or on the off side of the wicket, or (b) not pitch at all before reaching the batsman. Therefore, any ball pitching on the leg side of the wicket should not result in the loss of a wicket by LBW even if the batsman has left the ball . To determine the relevant 'pitching zone', an imaginary line is drawn parallel to the long axis of the pitch from the leg stump.
  3. The ball must miss the bat : If the first contact the batsman has of the ball is hitting it with his bat, he should not be out LBW.
  4. The ball must intercept a part of the batsman's person : If the ball hits any part of the body or protective gear, it is a potential candidate for LBW (i.e. it need not hit the leg). The one exception is a hand or gloved hand in contact with the bat, which is considered part of the bat. For example, Sachin Tendulkar was famously given out LBW when, ducking under an expected bouncer, the ball actually hit his shoulder (Australia v India, 1999-2000, Adelaide, The Indian Second Innings).
  5. The ball must hit in line : The ball must hit the batsman in the region directly between the two wickets. An important exception is that, if the impact is outside the off stump, the batsman can be out LBW if he does not make a genuine attempt to play the ball (that is, if he does not "play a stroke"). If the impact is between wicket and wicket, the playing of a stroke is irrelevant.
  6. The ball must have been going to hit the wicket : If the ball's trajectory suggests that it would have missed the wicket had the batsman not been present, then he should not be out LBW.

There are three rules for the interpretation of these conditions: only the first interception of the ball by the body is considered; whether the ball would have pitched after interception is irrelevant; and the identities of the 'off side' and 'leg side' are to be determined by reference to the batsman's stance when the ball comes into play, this is when the bowler starts his run up or, if he has no run up, his bowling action.(law 23 of the Laws of Cricket).

The exception to the fifth condition (ball must impact in line) involves the judgment of the umpire on whether the batsman has attempted to play a shot at the ball. It is designed to prevent batsmen from merely kicking the ball away outside the off stump, which provides no chance of giving up a catch off the bat. A common defensive tactic against spin bowlers is to use the leg pad to defend against balls on the off side, but the LBW rule means they must either have the bat placed near the pad, thus providing a chance for edging a catch to the slip fielders, or risk being ruled out LBW. Some observers, such as Richie Benaud, have suggested that the LBW law be changed so that a batsman can be out if the ball pitches just outside the leg stump, thereby assisting legspinners and preventing negative pad-play.

The LBW rule is always judged by the umpire at the bowler's end. If the fielding team believes a batsman may be out LBW, they must appeal to that umpire for a decision.

All the LBW conditions must be assessed for the delivery, which takes around half a second to reach the batsman. As in other aspects of the rules, the batsman is always given the benefit of any doubt so, if an umpire is unsure, the appeal will be turned down. An example of this is if the batsman takes a step forward before the ball hits the batsman's leg. The ball might well have gone on to hit the wicket, but it is very difficult for the umpire to be certain of this, as the ball would have been 1.5-2 metres in front of the wicket as it hit the batsman's leg.

With the benefit of television replays it is common to show whether or not all of the LBW conditions were satisfied, and thus some people complain that an umpire wrongly allowed a batsman to continue or wrongly gave him out. However since the umpire should be certain that a batsman is out in order to give him out, and he has no benefit of television replay, the umpire's decision is usually appropriate. Most players and commentators acknowledge this and criticism of umpires is minimal.

The LBW decision is arguably the hardest the umpires have to make, and can be a source for commentary and controversy amongst the spectators. In recent years, with the increasing amounts of pressure and money at stake in cricket, several people have been campaigning for a larger role of cameras and simulation technology such as Hawk-Eye to aid the umpire in the uncertain cases. For the moment, LBW remains a decision that falls solely under the purview of the on-field umpire. Change is in the air, however: in September 2005, the International Cricket Council (ICC) authorized a trial run of the use by umpires of television replays to aid in making the call (see external link below).

It is worth noting that a batsman can be out LBW if the ball hits the pad first and then goes on to hit the bat (a so-called pad-bat), but not in the case where the batsman hits the ball with the bat but the ball then goes on to hit his pad (a bat-pad). However, in both cases, a batsman runs the risk of being out caught, as the ball may ricochet off at a relatively low speed for a close fielder (such as silly mid on) to catch.

Should the ball hit the batsman on the full (i.e., without hitting the pitch), then the umpire is to assume that the ball would have continued on its previous trajectory, ignoring any possible deviation as a result of the ball pitching.



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Johnny Fairplay wrote:

Stumpy, where did I mention there was more than 1 LBW for the match? There are other modes of dismissal you stump assemblers have to make a decision on. Once again you have made a fool of yourself.
I am suprised the umpiring heirachy haven't banned you from this forum, they must cringe everytime you post on here.



JF you must be on the pi55.  Cranbourne batted second so how could there be a square up you fool.

Again you hide behind your alias and if you were really serious you would state who you were.

As Roscoe Snowdon said:"There are at least two kinds of cowards. One kind always lives with himself, afraid to face the world. The other kind lives with the world, afraid to face himself"

Which are you JF?



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Oh Stumpy you've done it again, make a fool of yourself that is. Yes I know Cranbourne batted 2nd, but that doesn't mean there could not be a square up. Giving a batsman NOT OUT when it was blatant and obvious he was OUT is a form of square up you jerk.

I'm starting to think you should retire from this forum before you make an even bigger dimwit of yourself.

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Who is stumpy? Is he an umpire or something? He certainly comes across that way with all the crap he talks! No offence stump, but just put everything in lamens terms on here because it doesn't make you smarter because you use big and unusual words.

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Smith wrote:

Who is stumpy? Is he an umpire or something? He certainly comes across that way with all the crap he talks! No offence stump, but just put everything in lamens terms on here because it doesn't make you smarter because you use big and unusual words.



Smithy what's a lamen ? Some sort of lemon maybe? Or a Hyman ? It's got me thinking



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I think you know what i meant. so im not a spelling genius who cares!

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Smith, they don't come across as "big and unusual words" to most people who read the board.


Can you please point out some of the words or phrases you are struggling with, and I will try and help you.

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Hey Stumpy on another topic if Sloc's decides to bat all day and its getting a bit hot feel free to give Sharp out any time you like no one at SSCC would take offence and the security staff at Crown would also like to see him get his right wack. Again he was evicted 3 times and entered through other doors only to be tapped on the shoulder each time and asked to leave. He should know about their face recignition software by now surely.

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Johnny Fairplay wrote:

Oh Stumpy you've done it again, make a fool of yourself that is. Yes I know Cranbourne batted 2nd, but that doesn't mean there could not be a square up. Giving a batsman NOT OUT when it was blatant and obvious he was OUT is a form of square up you jerk.

I'm starting to think you should retire from this forum before you make an even bigger dimwit of yourself.



That's what I like about you JF you hide behind you alias and make a wit of yourself, a farkwit that is



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Smith,

Sorry if interception happens to be the term in the Laws of Cricket but that's life I guess

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Stumpy's okay. He brings actual cricket to the forum. And for what is worth i have never heard a bad word said about his umpiring. Yep, makes mistakes every now and then but thats the human element we have in the game,

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stumpy wrote:

Johnny Fairplay wrote:

Oh Stumpy you've done it again, make a fool of yourself that is. Yes I know Cranbourne batted 2nd, but that doesn't mean there could not be a square up. Giving a batsman NOT OUT when it was blatant and obvious he was OUT is a form of square up you jerk.

I'm starting to think you should retire from this forum before you make an even bigger dimwit of yourself.



That's what I like about you JF you hide behind you alias and make a wit of yourself, a farkwit that is




I'm not a mind reader Stumpy, but going by that imbecilic reply I gather you have conceded defeat in our debate. That would be about 15-0 my way now.



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JF, Stumpy owns you every you open your mouth.



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We all know that's not true Goochy. Why must you always stick your nose into issues that don't concern you? Genuine question.

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How can ANY issue concern you when no-one knows who you are?

Stumpy sticks to the facts and destroys every post you make.

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